ชะตากรรมของ 3 คนในภาพ???
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Re: ชะตากรรมของ 3 คนในภาพ???
Rosy Wed May 26, 2010 5:24 am
sunny พิมพ์ว่า:Rosy พิมพ์ว่า:นั่นน่ะซิ เวบนี้ทหารเยอะแยะ ทำไมปล่อยให้ถูกเหมารวมว่าเป็น ทหารไทย ใจไม่ใช่คน อยู่ได้
ทหารดีๆ ยังมีอยู่ไม่ใช่หรือ?
แล้วทำไมนำเสนอแต่ภาพแบบใส่ความข้างเดียวอยู่ได้ ภาพที่อีกฝ่ายเผาบ้านเผาเมืองจนย่อยยับ ไม่เห็นเอามานำเสนอชั่งน้ำหนักบ้างล่ะ
ขนาดทหารด้วยกันเองยังด่าเลยค่ะ แล้วการที่ประชาชนทั่วไปจะระเบิดความรู้สึกออกมา ก็คงไม่ได้แปลกเท่าไหร่นัก
ก่อนหน้าที่จะมาถึงการปราบปรามขั้นเด็ดขาดจนถึงกับลงดาบ ลงปืนกัน มันผ่านขั้นตอนการเจรจาด้วยดีมาแล้วนี่คะ คุณ sunny ถ้าเราคิดถึงความรับผิดชอบในฐานะรัฐบาล ตอนที่ยอมเจรจากับแกนนำเสื้อแดงเพื่อให้ยุติการชุมนุมแล้วไม่ได้ผลนั้น ถ้าไม่ทำอะไรเลยก็จะต้องถูกตำหนิจากฝ่ายตรงกันข้ามกับเสื้อแดง (อันนี้ไม่ได้หมายถึงเสื้อเหลือง โพสต์อย่างนี้ต้องรีบออกตัว ขี้เกียจเถียงกันเรื่องเหลืองๆ แดงๆ ) เช่น ผู้ประกอบการ พ่อค้า แม่ค้า และประชาชน ที่ต้องใช้ชีวิตบริเวณที่มีการชุมนุมแล้วได้รับความเดือดร้อน รวมทั้งประชาชนทั่วไปที่ไม่เห็นด้วยกับการชุมนุมของแดง อันนี้ไม่เว้นแม้กระทั่งนักวิชาการเอง ก็ออกมาวิจารณ์ว่าเจรจา หรือประนีประนอมหลายครั้งจนการเป็นเฝือเกินไปแล้ว อภิสิทธิ์แถลงการณ์บ่อยเกินจนน่าเบื่อไปแล้ว.....
เมื่อขั้นตอนการ เจรจาไม่ได้ผล ขั้นตอนต่อไปก็ต้องเป็นการกดดันเพื่อให้ผู้ชุมนุมออกจากพื้นที่ ซึ่งวิธีในการกดดันเขาต้องทำกันอย่างไร อันนี้ทหารเองต้องรู้ดีกว่าประชาชนอย่างดิฉัน โดยเฉพาะในสถานการณ์ที่ผู้นำของฝ่ายที่ถูกกดดันใช้มุนษย์ตาดำๆ เป็นกำแพงป้องกันตนเอง แล้วสถานการณ์ทำท่าว่าจะยืดเยื้อ จนกลายเป็นรัฐบาลและทหารน่าจะเป็นฝ่ายไร้น้ำยาถ้าไม่ทำอะไรสักอย่าง
ที่ พูดมาทั้งหมดข้างต้น ไม่ได้รู้สึกยินดีกับการปฎิบัติการยึดพื้นที่คืนจากการชุมนุมได้ด้วยวิธี รุนแรง แต่พูดในฐานะที่เห็นใจคนทำงานในสถานการณ์ที่ทำก็ถูกด่า ไม่ทำก็ถูกด่า โดยส่วนตัวสงสารและเห็นใจผู้ถูกกระทำทุกฝ่าย แม้กระทั่งในนาทีที่ท่านเสธแดงถูกยิง ก็ยังเห็นใจและไม่อยากให้เหตุการณ์นั้นเกิดขึ้น ทั้งที่ตัวเองโกรธตอนที่ท่านเสธแดงไปปิดโรงพยาบาลจุฬา เห็นท่านถูกยิงยังรู้สึกใจเหี่ยวแห้งไปหมด ไม่คิดว่าคนเราจะทำร้ายกันได้ขนาดนี้ (ขออโหสิกรรมที่เคยล่วงเกินกันทางมโนกรรมและวจีกรรมอีกครั้งนะคะ ท่านเสธแดง)
การฆ่าทุกชีวิตเป็นบาป ความรู้สึกยินดีหรือรู้เห็นกับการฆ่าก็เป็นบาป การเอาตัวเองเข้ารู้เห็นเรื่องเช่นนี้แล้วสร้างทุกข์ให้ตัวเองก็ไม่สมควร แต่ในฐานะประชาชนที่ควรต้องรู้ความเป็นไปของประเทศชาติ ก็ถือว่าต้องทำหน้าที่ในการร่วมสอดส่อง ดูแล ปกป้อง ประเทศชาติ และจำต้องรับรู้เรื่องเหล่านี้ต่อไปด้วยความสลดใจ......ยังคิดเลยว่า เรื่องเล็กๆ ของตัวเองแค่นี้ ยังรู้สึกว่าตัดสินใจให้ตัวเองลำบาก ...............ถ้าต้องให้ไปตัดสินใจแทนคนอื่นๆ ทั้งประเทศอย่างผู้ที่ต้องรับผิดชอบทั้งหลาย เช่น รัฐบาล ทหาร ตำรวจ อันนั้นคงยากกว่าหลายเท่า เพราะต้องมีผู้ถูกใจและไม่ถูกใจ .....เฮ้อ!
สัตว์ โลกย่อมเป็นไปตามกรรม.... คงต้องคิดว่าที่ตรงนั้นเป็นจุดรวมที่ผู้มีกรรมร่วมกันต้องไปเจอกัน ผู้ถูกฆ่าก็ชดใช้กรรมไปแล้ว ผู้ฆ่าก็แบกกรรมไปเป็นภาระต่อไป
Rosy- จำนวนข้อความ : 49
Registration date : 19/04/2010
Re: ชะตากรรมของ 3 คนในภาพ???
*_* Wed May 26, 2010 12:45 pm
เพื่อนผมไปปักหลักที่อนุเสาวรีย์ชัยช่วงเย็นวันที่19
เขาบอกว่ามีคนเอาคลิปมาให้ดู ตัวเขาไม่ทันได้ดู แต่เพื่อนอีกคนได้ดู
เหตุการตอนนั้นค่อนข้างวุ่นวาย จึงไม่ได้โหลดบลูทูธไว้
เหตุการณ์ในคลิปคือ รถสายพานลำเลียงได้เคลื่อนเข้าไปในที่ชุมนุม
ขณะเดียวกันก็มีผู้หญิงประมาณสามคน ร้องขอให้รถสายพานหยุดก่อน
ขอเวลาพวกตนเก็บข้าวเก็บของหน่อย
ทหารจึงตะโกนมาประมาณว่าเร็วๆ ชักช้าเดี๋ยวก็ทับเลย
ด้วยความคับแค้นใจ ปชช.เหล่านั้นจึงพูดกลับไปประมาณว่า ก็ทับเลยสิ!!
.....แล้วรถสายพานลำเลียงคันดังกล่าวก็ได้เคลื่อนทับร่างกลุ่มผู้ชุมนุมหญิงดังกล่าว............
เขาบอกว่ามีคนเอาคลิปมาให้ดู ตัวเขาไม่ทันได้ดู แต่เพื่อนอีกคนได้ดู
เหตุการตอนนั้นค่อนข้างวุ่นวาย จึงไม่ได้โหลดบลูทูธไว้
เหตุการณ์ในคลิปคือ รถสายพานลำเลียงได้เคลื่อนเข้าไปในที่ชุมนุม
ขณะเดียวกันก็มีผู้หญิงประมาณสามคน ร้องขอให้รถสายพานหยุดก่อน
ขอเวลาพวกตนเก็บข้าวเก็บของหน่อย
ทหารจึงตะโกนมาประมาณว่าเร็วๆ ชักช้าเดี๋ยวก็ทับเลย
ด้วยความคับแค้นใจ ปชช.เหล่านั้นจึงพูดกลับไปประมาณว่า ก็ทับเลยสิ!!
.....แล้วรถสายพานลำเลียงคันดังกล่าวก็ได้เคลื่อนทับร่างกลุ่มผู้ชุมนุมหญิงดังกล่าว............
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Registration date : 10/07/2009
Re: ชะตากรรมของ 3 คนในภาพ???
sunny Wed May 26, 2010 1:08 pm
สังเกตด้วยนะ ว่าคนที่โหลด youtube เขาใช้ภาษาอะไร
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Registration date : 28/06/2008
Re: ชะตากรรมของ 3 คนในภาพ???
Rosy Wed May 26, 2010 4:28 pm
ดิฉันเข้าใจนะ คุณ sunny ว่าภาพพจน์ประเทศไทยอันสวยงามของเราป่นปี้ไปหมดแล้ว
แต่ที่เห็นด่าทหารมากๆ อย่างนี้ สงสารทหารดีๆ ที่ต้องร่วมรับความเกลียดชังไปด้วยหรอก คนอ่านจะแยกแยะยากอยู่นา ว่าเป็นทหารฝ่ายไหน
แต่ที่เห็นด่าทหารมากๆ อย่างนี้ สงสารทหารดีๆ ที่ต้องร่วมรับความเกลียดชังไปด้วยหรอก คนอ่านจะแยกแยะยากอยู่นา ว่าเป็นทหารฝ่ายไหน
Rosy- จำนวนข้อความ : 49
Registration date : 19/04/2010
Re: ชะตากรรมของ 3 คนในภาพ???
sunny Wed May 26, 2010 5:55 pm
Rosy พิมพ์ว่า:ดิฉันเข้าใจนะ คุณ sunny ว่าภาพพจน์ประเทศไทยอันสวยงามของเราป่นปี้ไปหมดแล้ว
แต่ที่เห็นด่าทหารมากๆ อย่างนี้ สงสารทหารดีๆ ที่ต้องร่วมรับความเกลียดชังไปด้วยหรอก คนอ่านจะแยกแยะยากอยู่นา ว่าเป็นทหารฝ่ายไหน
ความสงสารของเรา จะทำให้ทหารชั่วๆที่แฝงตัวอยู่ในทหารดีๆ พลอยได้รับอานิสงส์ไปด้วย
ครานี้ ก็ขอดูศักยภาพของทหาร ว่าจะรักษาสถาบันของตนเองไว้ได้แค่ไหน
ที่สำคัญคือ คนเราจะเห็นของที่อยู่กับเรามีค่า ก็ต่อเมื่อจะสูญเสียมันไป แต่ก็ขึ้นอยู่กับว่าจะไขว่คว้ากลับมาได้หรือเปล่า
sunny- จำนวนข้อความ : 3511
Registration date : 28/06/2008
Re: ชะตากรรมของ 3 คนในภาพ???
hacksecret Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:44 pm
May 21, 2010
Dawn-to-dusk footage from the front line of the Bangkok crackdown
Filmed by Kenneth Todd Ruiz, edited by Tracy Vanity.I was up late writing, editing
and waiting for an NPR interview early Wednesday morning when UDDThailand
tweeted about the impending operation. Given UDD's shrill tone and frequent wolf-crying,
I didn't take it seriously until a second source, photo_journ, made the same claims
about APCs spotted on the highway. By taxi, I arrived at Surawong Road at 5 a.m.
Sure enough, there were trucks and buses packed with soldiers, support humvees
carrying medics, and six APCs leading the convoy. At that point, I was the only
journalist visible. I tweeted everything and kept the blog updated, thanks to
Tracy Vanity, who also edited this video.
They rolled out 15 minutes later. The APCs led the convoy south on Naradhiwas
Rajanagarindra Road before turning east onto Sathorn Road toward Lumpini Park,
Bangkok's sprawling central green space.
At the top of Sathorn, hundreds of police waited to support the soldiers.
The medic vehicles held position as the APCs and soldiers advanced through
the gate into Lumpini Park. A second unit proceeded west along Rama IV Road.
The move was designed to close in from two sides on the heavily fortified red
encampment surrounding the Rama VI statue in the southwest corner of the park.
I met up with a Beijing-based Chinese-American photojourn and we entered
the park with the soldiers.
Advancing in threes and fours, Thai soldiers found cover behind picnic benches,
trash bins and trees. Gunfire came toward both army units from the camp and
elsewhere along Ratchadamri Road. I kept moving at the vanguard of the force
inside Lumpini Park. An enormous cloud of black smoke from the burning barricade
engulfed Chulalongkorn Hospital. Helicopters circled overhead, reportedly dropping teargas.
After reaching their closest point, about 50 meters behind the gate leading to the statue area,
I made it up to the back gate as an APC rolled into position above the camp on
the expressway above Rama IV. Camp looked deserted.
A female Thai journalist was reportedly seen pointing out the locations of
the bombs left by the Men in Black, which the army quickly disarmed.
Enough to make journalists a target to any militants who may have been watching.
I circled back around to Rama IV and joined the main body of journos just as
the APCs rolled over the erstwhile barricade to secure the camp. The APCs hung back
at the camp while we moved with the soldiers up Ratchadamri Road. Two dead reds
lay in the street where they were shot. It was slow going, with frequent exchanges of gunfire
with militants, most likely the infamous Men in Black I'd camped with a few nights prior
with two other photojourns.
They reclaimed the street tent-by-tent, searching for traps, weapons and taking
anything of value. Two people spotted through a fence fled. Soldiers used rusty cleavers
to hack down the red tarps and tents as they went.
Things got ugly at Sarasin. A car garage near the corner was turned into a holding cell
for about one dozen detainees, including several "red monks." An M79 grenade too close
to a clump of journos near the corner, but we were shielded from the blast by the corner of
a building. Soon thereafter a barrage of M79s began to come in all around and many journos
sought shelter in an alley alongside the Brown Sugar restaurant. But nowhere was safe.
One grenade found its target, blowing a soldier's arm off, wounding another and
blasting shrapnel into the body and brain of Chandler Vandergrift, a Canadian freelancer.
The detention garage quickly became a field hospital, and about 15 minutes later APCs
charged in to evacuate the wounded. Many of the soldiers left after this, making some of
the journos nervous. The detainees were all loaded into a police truck which arrived.
Assuming the army wasn't going to push further up into the dangerous corridor,
most turned back toward Lumpini to escape the conflict or find another way to
the reds' main stage at Rajprasong.
May 22, 2010
Clarification regarding Bangkok crackdown "field hospital" photo
It's always interesting to observe the life-cycle of an Internet conspiracy take shape.
Healthy skepticism and inquisitiveness are vital to critical thinking but are best balanced
by reason and inquiry. Although it may not succeed in preventing misinformation from
becoming cherished folklore, I've reworded the caption for this image in my
"Bangkok crackdown" gallery to read "inside the same car garage at Sarasin intersection
used to hold detainees" instead of "inside a car garage at Sarasin intersection."
Hopefully the preserved watermark, an inquisitive mind and translate.
google will help to resolve any confusion.
Blood and supplies mark the spot Thai combat medics tended to two soldiers and
Chandler Vandergrift, a Canadian journalist, inside the same car garage at Sarasin intersection
used to hold detainees. The location, a car garage adjacent to "Brown Sugar" restaurant,
served to both hold detainees and treat those injured by a grenade blast.
No detainees were harmed at this location. I witnessed the blood seen in the image
run from a Thai soldier whose arm was shredded by the blast.
May 23, 2010
Thai-style justice?
Leaders of the anti-government red-shirt movement, who inspired tens of thousands
to traverse Thailand to fight against the "double standard" enjoyed by the status quo,
don't seem to be complaining about it since being arrested.
From my gallery: About one dozen detained red-shirt protesters, including several
"red" Buddhist monks, were cuffed, blindfolded and interviewed before
being taken away in a police truck during the Thai military crackdown of May 19.
(Photo: Kenneth Todd Ruiz/reporterinexile.com)
Red shirt leader Nattawut Saikua and others appear with cell phones and
cameras on May 20 in air-conditioned guesthouses at a camp in Phetchaburi district,
not far from the beach. Some had reportedly posted messages on Facebook from detention.
(Photo: Unknown)
Dawn-to-dusk footage from the front line of the Bangkok crackdown
Filmed by Kenneth Todd Ruiz, edited by Tracy Vanity.I was up late writing, editing
and waiting for an NPR interview early Wednesday morning when UDDThailand
tweeted about the impending operation. Given UDD's shrill tone and frequent wolf-crying,
I didn't take it seriously until a second source, photo_journ, made the same claims
about APCs spotted on the highway. By taxi, I arrived at Surawong Road at 5 a.m.
Sure enough, there were trucks and buses packed with soldiers, support humvees
carrying medics, and six APCs leading the convoy. At that point, I was the only
journalist visible. I tweeted everything and kept the blog updated, thanks to
Tracy Vanity, who also edited this video.
They rolled out 15 minutes later. The APCs led the convoy south on Naradhiwas
Rajanagarindra Road before turning east onto Sathorn Road toward Lumpini Park,
Bangkok's sprawling central green space.
At the top of Sathorn, hundreds of police waited to support the soldiers.
The medic vehicles held position as the APCs and soldiers advanced through
the gate into Lumpini Park. A second unit proceeded west along Rama IV Road.
The move was designed to close in from two sides on the heavily fortified red
encampment surrounding the Rama VI statue in the southwest corner of the park.
I met up with a Beijing-based Chinese-American photojourn and we entered
the park with the soldiers.
Advancing in threes and fours, Thai soldiers found cover behind picnic benches,
trash bins and trees. Gunfire came toward both army units from the camp and
elsewhere along Ratchadamri Road. I kept moving at the vanguard of the force
inside Lumpini Park. An enormous cloud of black smoke from the burning barricade
engulfed Chulalongkorn Hospital. Helicopters circled overhead, reportedly dropping teargas.
After reaching their closest point, about 50 meters behind the gate leading to the statue area,
I made it up to the back gate as an APC rolled into position above the camp on
the expressway above Rama IV. Camp looked deserted.
A female Thai journalist was reportedly seen pointing out the locations of
the bombs left by the Men in Black, which the army quickly disarmed.
Enough to make journalists a target to any militants who may have been watching.
I circled back around to Rama IV and joined the main body of journos just as
the APCs rolled over the erstwhile barricade to secure the camp. The APCs hung back
at the camp while we moved with the soldiers up Ratchadamri Road. Two dead reds
lay in the street where they were shot. It was slow going, with frequent exchanges of gunfire
with militants, most likely the infamous Men in Black I'd camped with a few nights prior
with two other photojourns.
They reclaimed the street tent-by-tent, searching for traps, weapons and taking
anything of value. Two people spotted through a fence fled. Soldiers used rusty cleavers
to hack down the red tarps and tents as they went.
Things got ugly at Sarasin. A car garage near the corner was turned into a holding cell
for about one dozen detainees, including several "red monks." An M79 grenade too close
to a clump of journos near the corner, but we were shielded from the blast by the corner of
a building. Soon thereafter a barrage of M79s began to come in all around and many journos
sought shelter in an alley alongside the Brown Sugar restaurant. But nowhere was safe.
One grenade found its target, blowing a soldier's arm off, wounding another and
blasting shrapnel into the body and brain of Chandler Vandergrift, a Canadian freelancer.
The detention garage quickly became a field hospital, and about 15 minutes later APCs
charged in to evacuate the wounded. Many of the soldiers left after this, making some of
the journos nervous. The detainees were all loaded into a police truck which arrived.
Assuming the army wasn't going to push further up into the dangerous corridor,
most turned back toward Lumpini to escape the conflict or find another way to
the reds' main stage at Rajprasong.
May 22, 2010
Clarification regarding Bangkok crackdown "field hospital" photo
It's always interesting to observe the life-cycle of an Internet conspiracy take shape.
Healthy skepticism and inquisitiveness are vital to critical thinking but are best balanced
by reason and inquiry. Although it may not succeed in preventing misinformation from
becoming cherished folklore, I've reworded the caption for this image in my
"Bangkok crackdown" gallery to read "inside the same car garage at Sarasin intersection
used to hold detainees" instead of "inside a car garage at Sarasin intersection."
Hopefully the preserved watermark, an inquisitive mind and translate.
google will help to resolve any confusion.
Blood and supplies mark the spot Thai combat medics tended to two soldiers and
Chandler Vandergrift, a Canadian journalist, inside the same car garage at Sarasin intersection
used to hold detainees. The location, a car garage adjacent to "Brown Sugar" restaurant,
served to both hold detainees and treat those injured by a grenade blast.
No detainees were harmed at this location. I witnessed the blood seen in the image
run from a Thai soldier whose arm was shredded by the blast.
May 23, 2010
Thai-style justice?
Leaders of the anti-government red-shirt movement, who inspired tens of thousands
to traverse Thailand to fight against the "double standard" enjoyed by the status quo,
don't seem to be complaining about it since being arrested.
From my gallery: About one dozen detained red-shirt protesters, including several
"red" Buddhist monks, were cuffed, blindfolded and interviewed before
being taken away in a police truck during the Thai military crackdown of May 19.
(Photo: Kenneth Todd Ruiz/reporterinexile.com)
Red shirt leader Nattawut Saikua and others appear with cell phones and
cameras on May 20 in air-conditioned guesthouses at a camp in Phetchaburi district,
not far from the beach. Some had reportedly posted messages on Facebook from detention.
(Photo: Unknown)
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01 Silom road before dawn
Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Trucks, buses and six armored personnel carriers packed with soldiers prepared
to roll out of Silom Road in Bangkok's financial district just before dawn.
02 APCs lead convoy up Sathorn Road
Sathorn Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
West from Silom, the APCs led the convoy south on Naradhiwas Rajanagarindra Road
before turning east onto Sathorn Road toward Lumpini Park, Bangkok's sprawling central green space.
03 At the gates of Lumpini Park
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Soldiers crouch and peer into Lumpini Park
04 Thai soldiers secure Lumpini Park
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Advancing in threes and fours, Thai soldiers find cover behind picnic benches, trash bins and trees.
05 Soldiers in Lumpini Park
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Advancing in threes and fours, Thai soldiers find cover behind picnic benches, trash bins and trees.
06 Taking cover
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Under fire, Thai soldiers in a vulnerable position fall prone.
07 Taking aim
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Taking aim from behind a chess table inside Lumpini Park, a Thai soldier holds his position as others advance.
08 Lumpini Park
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 21, 2010
In small groups, soldiers fanned out and slowly advanced through Lumpini Park toward
the most fortified portion of red-occupied Bangkok.
09 Down in the park
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Lying low, a Thai soldier finds cover in Lumpini Park.
10 Lumpini Park
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
In small groups, soldiers fanned out and slowly advanced through Lumpini Park toward
the most fortified portion of red-occupied Bangkok.
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11 Forward position
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
An APC stops after advancing toward the gate from Lumpini Park into
the fortified red encampment by the Rama VI statue in Lumpini Park.
12 Securing the camp
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 21, 2010
Soldiers take position around the Rama VI statue around which the red-shirts
had built a fortified encampment.
13 Wary
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Having just rolled over the barricades into the reds' fortified encampment at Lumpini Park,
an APC-mounted gunner surveys the surroundings.
14 Taking the camp
Lumpini Park, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Having just rolled over the barricades into the reds' fortified encampment
at Lumpini Park, an APC crew surveys the area.
15 Slain protester
Ratchadamri Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Shot in the head, a "red shirt" protester lies where he was killed just outside
a tent on Ratchadamri Road.
16 Shot down
Ratchadamri Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
A red-shirt demonstrator lies where he was shot dead on Ratchadamri Road.
17 Reloading
Ratchadamri Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Thai solder chambers rounds after firing at suspected militants. Thai soldiers
cleared their way north from Lumpini Park, securing the protesters' camp tent by tent.
18 Red and dead
Ratchadamri Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Two dead red-shirt protesters are laid out on the sidewalk before
being covered and removed from the scene.
19 - Packing a punch
Ratchadamri Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Bottles of M-150 energy drink refitted as petrol bombs have been
discarded along Ratchadamri Road.
20 Teardown
Ratchadamri Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Wielding rusty cleavers, Thai soldiers tore down the tarps and tents which comprised
the demonstrators' encampments. They also searched their discarded possessions
for anything of value to take.
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21 Street-camping turns to street-fighting
Ratchadamri Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
With the hanging clothes of a red-shirt protester in the foreground, soldiers seek cover
from gunfire behind a palm tree on Ratchadamri road. Thai soldiers cleared their way
north from Lumpini Park, securing the protesters' camp tent by tent.
22 Commander
May 19, 2010
During a firefight along Ratchadamri Road, a Thai Army officer shouts orders to his men.
Thai soldiers cleared their way north from Lumpini Park, securing the protesters' camp tent by tent.
23 Fight finished
Sarasin intersection, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
About one dozen detained red-shirt protesters, including several "red" Buddhist monks,
were cuffed, blindfolded and interviewed before being taken away in a police truck.
24 Pushing north
Ratchadamri Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Soldiers seek cover from gunfire behind a palm tree on Ratchadamri road. Thai soldiers
cleared their way north from Lumpini Park, securing the protesters' camp tent by tent.
25 Evacuation
Sarasin, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Providing cover for Thai soldiers from armed militants, this APC hurtles into
Sarasin intersection to collect the injured.
26 Taken away
May 19, 2010
Her blindfold slipping, a red-shirt detainee is loaded into a police truck at Sarasin intersection.
27 Sarasin
Sarasin intersection, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Under fire during a day of stifling heat and humidity, two journalists return
with water left behind by red-shirt demonstrators.
28 Field hospital
Sarasin intersection, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Blood and supplies mark the spot Thai combat medics tended to two soldiers and
Chandler Vandergrift, a Canadian journalist, inside the same car garage
at Sarasin intersection used to hold detainees.
29 Clearing the defiance
Sala Daeng intersection, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
City crews quickly began clean-up work at the reds' fortified encampment
in the corner of Lumpini Park at Sala Daeng intersection.
30 Red monks
Ploen Chit, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Five Buddhist monks are among the detainees being held at the edge of the red protest zone.
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31 Main stage
Rajprasong intersection, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
For six weeks, thousands of red shirts gathered around this stage
at the center of the commercial area they occupied in the heart of Bangkok.
Almost all fled before the advancing soldiers.
32 Now Open
Central World Plaza, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Flames and smoke shoot from the Central World Plaza mall after it caught fire during the crackdown.
33 Flaming mall
Central World Plaza, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Flames and smoke shoot from the Central World Plaza mall after it caught fire during the crackdown.
34 Zen
Central World Plaza, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Flames and smoke shoot from the Zen Department Store at Central World Plaza mall
after it caught fire during the crackdown.
35 Flaming mall
Central World Plaza, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Flames and smoke shoot from the Central World Plaza mall after it caught fire during the crackdown.
36 Molten cascade
Central World Plaza, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Superheated glass panels burst and sing through the air as they cascade to the ground.
37 A Zen world
Central World Plaza, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
A flaming glow backlights the sign for the Zen Department Store at Central World Plaza mall.
38 Abandoned red dog
Sukhumvit Road, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Although my camera takes noisy night pictures, the sight of this dog lying among
the red camp's wreckage in front of the burning mall triggered some of
the day's emotions to surface. He was waiting for a caretaker that wouldn't return.
Sadly, he was still there 24 hours later. We gave him some food and water.
39 Burning world
Central World Plaza, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
The surface of the planet is in flames just inside a large display window facing Sukhumvit Road.
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23 Fight finished
Sarasin intersection, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
About one dozen detained red-shirt protesters, including several "red" Buddhist monks,
were cuffed, blindfolded and interviewed before being taken away in a police truck.
26 Taken away
May 19, 2010
Her blindfold slipping, a red-shirt detainee is loaded into a police truck at Sarasin intersection.
27 Sarasin
Sarasin intersection, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Under fire during a day of stifling heat and humidity, two journalists return
with water left behind by red-shirt demonstrators.
28 Field hospital
Sarasin intersection, Bangkok, Thailand
May 19, 2010
Blood and supplies mark the spot Thai combat medics tended to two soldiers and
Chandler Vandergrift, a Canadian journalist, inside the same car garage
at Sarasin intersection used to hold detainees.
http://thailiberal.com/index.php?showtopic=48279
Posted 21 May 2010 - 08:02 PM
สถานที่น่าจะที่เดียวกัน ดูจากตำแหน่งขวด
รูปแรกยังไม่มีเลือด
รูปที่สามมีเลือดแล้ว
ผมไม่ทราบว่าเกิดเหตุการณ์อะไร รูปพวกนี้ได้มาจากเวปต่างประเทศ ยังหาคำอธิบายภาพไม่ได้ ขอแรงมาช่วยกันดูหน่อยครับ
Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:33 PM
I met up with a Beijing-based Chinese-American photojourn and we entered the park with the soldiers.
Advancing in threes and fours, Thai soldiers found cover behind picnic benches,
trash bins and trees. Gunfire came toward both army units from the camp and elsewhere
along Ratchadamri Road. I kept moving at the vanguard of the force inside Lumpini Park.
An enormous cloud of black smoke from the burning barricade engulfed Chulalongkorn Hospital.
Helicopters circled overhead, reportedly dropping teargas. After reaching their closest point,
about 50 meters behind the gate leading to the statue area, I made it up to the back gate as
an APC rolled into position above the camp on the expressway above Rama IV.
Camp looked deserted.
A female Thai journalist was reportedly seen pointing out the locations of the bombs left
by the Men in Black, which the army quickly disarmed. Enough to make journalists
a target to any militants who may have been watching.
I circled back around to Rama IV and joined the main body of journos just as the APCs
rolled over the erstwhile barricade to secure the camp. The APCs hung back at the camp
while we moved with the soldiers up Ratchadamri Road. Two dead reds lay in the street
where they were shot. It was slow going, with frequent exchanges of gunfire with militants,
most likely the infamous Men in Black I'd camped with a few nights prior with
two other photojourns.
They reclaimed the street tent-by-tent, searching for traps, weapons and taking
anything of value. Two people spotted through a fence fled. Soldiers used rusty cleavers
to hack down the red tarps and tents as they went.
Things got ugly at Sarasin. A car garage near the corner was turned into a holding cell for
about one dozen detainees, including several "red monks." An M79 grenade too close
to a clump of journos near the corner, but we were shielded from the blast by the corner of
a building. Soon thereafter a barrage of M79s began to come in all around and many journos
sought shelter in an alley alongside the Brown Sugar restaurant. But nowhere was safe.
One grenade found its target, blowing a soldier's arm off, wounding another and
blasting shrapnel into the body and brain of Chandler Vandergrift, a Canadian freelancer.
The detention garage quickly became a field hospital,
and about 15 minutes later APCs charged in to evacuate the wounded.
Many of the soldiers left after this, making some of the journos nervous.
The detainees were all loaded into a police truck which arrived.
Assuming the army wasn't going to push further up into the dangerous corridor,
most turned back toward Lumpini to escape the conflict or find another way
to the reds' main stage at Rajprasong.
Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:56 PM
อันนี้นำมาจากโปรไฟล์ของ Todd คนที่ถ่ายภาพทั้งหมดครับ
http://profile.typepad.com/kennethtoddruiz
I recognize your watermark, "reporterinexile.com", in the last picture.
Do you know what has happened to the detainees? Why was so much blood?
I compiled 3 pictures into one and drew a red circle on a bottle in each pictures.
https://s530.photobucket.com/albums/dd348/muudang/?action=view¤t=whathappentothem.jpg
Posted by: Warisara | May 21, 2010 at 09:10 PM
Thanks for your comment, Warisara. I can understand your concern. However, the detainees
were not harmed here. They were eventually loaded into a police bus and taken away.
Under the emergency decree, we do not know where. The same garage was also used
as a field hospital to treat two soldiers and one western journalist injured by a grenade blast.
That's where the blood is from, I saw it run out of a blast victim myself.
Those are bandages and medical supplies in the photo.
@https://s530.photobucket.com/albums/dd348/muudang/?action=view¤t=whathappentothem.jpg
reporterinexile wrote 23 minutes ago
I took the last photo here and was present during all three. The detainees were not harmed here.
They were taken away in an army bus, but nobody knows where under the State of Emergency decree.
The same place was used as a field hospital to treat two soldiers and a western journalist
who were injured by an M79 grenade fired at our location at Sarasin.
As you can see those are bandages and medical supplies.
http://www.freemedia.at/singleview/4961/
Wednesday, 26 May 2010
IPI Calls on Thai Government to Launch Full,
Transparent Investigation into Killing, Wounding of Journalists
Despite International Calls for Justice, No Arrests Made So Far
A portrait of Fabio Polenghi, an Italian journalist shot and killed during clashes
between anti-government "red shirt" protesters and Thai army soldiers last week,
stands in front of the crematorium burning his body at a Buddhist temple in Bangkok
May 24, 2010. REUTERS/Sukree Sukplang
As a tenuous peace returns to the Thai capital Bangkok after violent clashes
between ‘Red Shirt’ protestors and the army last week, the International Press Institute (IPI)
today called on the government to launch as a matter of urgency a full and transparent
investigation into the killing and wounding of journalists during the violence.
On 19 May, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva’s government launched a military offensive
against a stronghold of the ‘Red Shirt’ protesters, bringing an end to weeks of protests.
Dozens of people were killed during the unrest.
The violence in Thailand claimed the lives of two journalists, and injured at least five more.
Despite calls from international organizations, including the IPI, and the Japanese government,
no arrests have been made.
“Both the protesters and the army failed to respect the right of journalists to gather and
transmit information in conflict zones,” said IPI Director Dadge. “The government must fully
investigate all incidents of violence against the media, and bring those responsible to justice.
The Thai government must send a very clear message that the killing and wounding of
journalists is unacceptable. If it fails to do so, it risks undermining its own reputation
before the international community.”
The journalists killed and wounded during the violence include:
Hiro Muramoto: A Reuters cameraman, he was among at least 21 people killed in clashes
between anti-government protesters and security forces on 10 April. Muramoto, 43 and
a Japanese national, had been employed with Reuters’ Tokyo bureau for the past fifteen years.
He was shot in the chest by an unknown assailant.
Fabio Polenghi: An Italian photojournalist, he was shot dead on 19 May,
as he covered the military crackdown in Bangkok.
Winnai Ditthajorn: A freelance photographer for Australia’s ABC News,
he was admitted to hospital with a gunshot wound to his left leg on 10 April.
Michel Maas: A Dutch journalist, who reported for Netherlands Radio Worldwide (NWR)
and the Volkskrant newspaper – also based in the Netherlands – he was shot in the shoulder
during the chaos that surrounded the assault on ‘Red Shirt’ barricades by the Thai army.
A Volkskrant editor, Leen Verraeke, told IPI at the time that Maas was with the ‘Red Shirt’
protestors when the army began its assault. Maas told Verraeke that the army
“shoot everything that’s moving and don’t ask if you are a reporter before shooting.”
Verraeke said Maas “believes he was shot by an army bullet.”
Chandler Vandergrift: A freelance Canadian writer and photographer,
he was seriously injured when an M79 grenade exploded on a bridge in the capital.
He underwent extensive brain surgery, but is now out of danger.
Andrew Buncombe: A reporter for Britain’s The Independent in Bangkok, he was shot
and injured while covering the Thai army assault on Red Shirt demonstrators.
He was hit in the outer thigh by pellets from a shotgun.
Chaiwat Phumpuang: A reporter with the Phuket Gazette, he was shot in the leg
on 16 May while covering the demonstrations.
Thailand’s The Nation newspaper also reported that a journalist was among four people
wounded in an M79 grenade attack, and an American documentary filmmaker was
reportedly treated for a gunshot wound in his leg.
In addition to reports of violence against the media, several media outlets were targeted
by protesters because of a perceived bias in their coverage.
Protesters besieged the offices of Channel 3, a TV station whose staff had been surrounded
and harassed on Friday, 14 May, by protesters who accused them of being biased against
the ‘Red Shirts’ in their reporting.
At the time, the editor of the Nation newspaper, Tulsathit Taptim, told IPI
that media organizations were advising their staff to refrain from wearing their press armbands,
for fear of being identified as journalists and risking attack.
http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog/how-did-the-italian-journalist-die
How did the Italian journalist die?
UPDATE: Just to note references to M79 bullet is based on a translation of
what Suthep states in Thai. Ask him why he calls them M79 bullets and not M79 grenades.
Washington Post:
Tried to find a version in Thai, but most of them don't cover what Suthep said to
The Italian ambassador, Michelangelo Pipin, raised the death of Fabio Polenghi,
an Italian photographer, in the clashes Wednesday, asking that Thailand
"bring those responsible to justice." Suthep, the deputy prime minister,
said the Italian had "died side by side" with a Thai soldier when both were
struck by an M-79 grenade of the type used by protesters.
But as with most of what occurred Wednesday, the circumstances of Polenghi's death
are far from clear. The Italians are looking into another allegation:
that he was killed not by a protester's grenade but by a bullet,
which hit him while he was running from a line of Thai soldiers.
the Italian Ambassador. The only thing I could find was from Matichon
which quotes Suthep as thanking the Italian Ambassador for the support
and having confidence in the Thai government
(ด้านนายสุเทพกล่าวตอบว่า ขอขอบคุณเอกอัครราชทูตอิตาลีที่ให้กำลังใจและ
ให้ความเชื่อมั่นในรัฐบาล),
but at the same time he expressed his condolences for the death of an
Italian journalist
(แต่ขณะเดียวกันต้องแสดงความเสียใจที่ผู้สื่อข่าวอิตาลีต้องมาเสียชีวิต).
He was certain though that the envoy followed the news and have probably seen
the images that it only took one M79 bullet to cause the solider(s)
and the death of the Italian journalist who were side-by-side
ตนเชื่อว่าทูตได้ติดตามข่าวสารจากสื่อมวลชน และคงเห็นภาพชัดเจนว่า ด้วยกระสุน
เอ็ม 79 นัดเดียวกันได้ทำให้ทหารไทยกับผู้สื่อข่าวอิตาลีเสียชีวิตเคียงข้างกันเลย).
NOTE: Just found a Krungthep Turakit article which also refers to Suthep saying
a M79 bullet killed him while he was side-by-side with soldiers.
BP:
Okay, now you are thinking so? Well, all other reports were that he was
shot in the stomach which implies a bullet and he was located on the
red side. The Bangkok Post:
Asianews (Italy):
Some 50 other media friends, mostly photojournalists, showed up to say
goodbye to Polenghi, a 48-year-old freelance photographer and
documentary maker, who was shot in the stomach while covering the Army
move to disperse red-shirt protesters in central Bangkok last Wednesday morning.
Of the five victims there is also an Italian photojournalist Fabio Polenghi, 45,International Federation of Journalists:
shot in the abdomen and chest by bullets fired during clashes
between the army and demonstrators
The Milan-based freelance photojournalist was shot in the stomach andAP:
died in hospital. He had been wearing a bullet-proof vest and a helmet
when he was shot, hospital sources said.
The family of Italian freelance photographer Fabio Polenghi sayThese photos here, here, and here (the last one it is particularly) seem to incidcate
he was killed by gunfire during clashes between the military
and demonstrators in Bangkok.
Italian news reports said Polenghi, 45, had been in Thailand for three months
on assignment for a European magazine, whose name wasn't immediately given.
Italian journalists in Bangkok said he was wearing a bulletproof vest and
helmet when shot in the stomach Wednesday. They said he was rushed
by motorscooter to a hospital, where he died.
a small hole in his chest - a high quality shot of one of the images is image 33 here.
Matichon also states he was shot in the chest (ถูกยิงเข้าที่หน้าอกจนเสียชีวิต) -
the Thai Government's Fact Report excerpts this on this page.
The clincher is really this Thai Rath report which states a representative of the Italian Embassy
came to collect the body of Fabio and the doctor explained that result of the autopsy was that
a gun bullet entered the heart, causing damage
to the lungs, liver, and a great los of blood.
The bullet was a high velocity bullet (velocity = ความเร็ว)
(ตัวแทนสถานทูตอิตาลี มาติดต่อขอรับศพ นายฟาบิโอ โปเลงกี
(Mr.Fabio Polenghi) ช่างภาพอิสระชาวอิตาเลียน ซึ่งเสียชีวิตจาก
เหตุการณ์จราจลในพื้นที่กรุงเทพมหานคร บริเวณสวนลุมพินี
เมื่อวันที่19 พ.ค. ที่ผ่านมา ทั้งนี้แพทย์ได้อธิบายผลการชันสูตรศพว่า
บาดแผลกระสุนปืนทะลุขั้วหัวใจ ทำลายปอด ตับ เสียโลหิต
เป็นปริมาณมาก ลักษณะของกระสุนมาจากมุมสูง).
Nation Channel reports similiarly.
The Der Spiegel reporter who knew Fabio and was with him earlier in the day and
it is clear he was not side-by-side with soldiers, but was on the red side. Key excerpts:
When we looked for Adun [BP: a red shirt] the next day, he was nowhere to be found.BP: Suthep refers to one M79 bullet killing Polenghi and from the wording
Chaos was everywhere. Fabio and I saw the smoke, and the soldiers
behind it, advancing towards us -- and we heard an increasing number of shots.
Snipers from a side street were targeting us.
The onslaught had begun. I didn't dare go any farther, but Fabio ran forward,
across the street, where shots were regularly fired -- a distance of roughly 50 meters (160 ft.)
-- and sought shelter in a deserted Red Cross tent. This marked the beginning of
the no man's land between us and the advancing troops. I saw his light blue helmet marked
"press" bob into view. He waved for me to come join him, but it was too dangerous
for me up there.
...
At 11:53 a.m. I tried to reach Fabio by phone. His voicemail clicked in, which wasn't unusual.
You could only occasionally get a signal. Across from the temple, in front of the police hospital,
a number of journalists were waiting for the paramedics to arrive with the wounded.
A nurse noted the admissions on a board. It was 12:07 p.m., and she had already
written down 14 names. A foreign reporter stood next to me. He said that they had shot
an Italian. Right in the heart. Over one and a half hours ago. He said that he had taken
his picture. He even knew his name: Fabio Polenghi.
that soldier(s) died as well. Well, a single bullet doesn't kill multiple people.
It is clear from all the other reports and even from the autopsy report,
he was shot by a gun bullet.
Was Suthep trying to mislead the foreign diplomats,
he mispoke, or he simply confused Fabio with Chandler,
the Canadian journalist who was injured
when he was side-by-side with the soldiers?
Neither of these three possibilities is particularly comforting
because you hope that before he spoke Suthep knew
what he was talking about.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/821447--wounded-canadian-photographer-relives-near-death
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